France 2: Calling Muslims to denounce their faith

Yep. Religion sucks but you can’t use instances like that to ask people to stop believing in something. Well you can but it doesn’t work like that.

Saying to a religious person “seeeee, that’s what your religion or any religion does, drop it already!” right after an attack will hardly ever make them rethink their faith. It is so easy for anyone to differentiate from a crazy killer that your argument goes right over their head. It’s not “their” religion, it’s how the “others” use it. In their head their (version) of religion is about love and life and hope. I’ve been there, I’ve done that, I’ve used the same “excuses” to keep my faith. And they make all the sense in the world if you believe. It’s hard to explain why, because looking back at myself I find it hard to believe I have been so profoundly stupid but arguments and obvious truths were thrown in my face and I managed to skillfully dodge them for a very long time. So I do believe you can be a generally reasonable, educated, curious, science loving person and still totally oblivious to the facts when it comes to faith. Somehow it becomes easy to convince yourself that YOUR god is good, that your intentions are good. You are a good person after all and that proves your god is a good “person” and if people commit atrocities in his name it’s their fault, they are misguided or even do this on purpose to serve dark powers and push you away from the one true religion. Especially when you are feeling defensive already because you know a wave of hatred and negative reactions will follow the attacks.

Immigrants have to face lots of shit now. These attacks affect them greatly. Except the obvious reason, that their safety is also at stake (no, the terrorists don’t make sure there are no Muslims and/or immigrants on a scene before they start killing everyone), they have to face a backlash of distrust, fear, even contempt and in some cases aggression. “Hitting” them with the “your religion sucks” card right now is not going to suddenly bring them to enlightenment and atheism. It’s just another hit when they’re already down. I think humanists should rise above that.

I have argued with Muslims that their religion fuels hatred and promotes attacks etc. But it was at a quiet moment, when we were having a lunch break and an almost philosophical discussion about life and religion. They didn’t feel threatened by me or that I attacked them as people (at least they didn’t seem to, we continued having a very good communication for the rest of the course). It was at a moment when they could think about our conversation with a clear mind. It was not right after an attack, when they just came to a foreign country, escaping a shitty situation, almost died in the process and having no idea what tomorrow will bring.

Asking Muslims to denounce the attacks by the way is something different (I think). It sends a message to the west and east that not all Muslims are like that. Yes, “hello captain obvious!” but it is still needed apparently. Plus let’s be honest, when you are following a dogma it is good if you strongly differentiate yourself with the parts of it you don’t agree. I think Christians also did that at some point and that’s why we can speak without being burned at the stake anymore. This could be the first step for the reformation of Islam into a more tolerant religion.

France 1: Pray for Paris

As is usual in situations like this (but unusual for me in general) I didn’t know what to say. Most of the times I say nothing. I do talk about it with friends of course but I mean I write nothing about it online.

Then I read a status from Eliza, saying (in my own words) that “no comments” and “silence” etc are not really helping right now, that we “desperately need” to hear some things. I don’t know if I what I have to say needs to be heard, let alone desperately, and it’s certainly not new; many people said the same. Still, I was wondering if I should listen to Eliza and join my voice to the rest but since I avoided debates and comments so far, when I started writing I didn’t know when to stop. So good luck.

I’m not going to talk about the attacks of course. What is there to say? There is no excuse in taking someones life. No excuse. Period. That’s it.

No, I’m going to talk about the reactions of people. I saw both good and bad reactions (for my taste of course), and mostly coming from people I consider smart enough. Most of my objections concern the goal of those actions. Most people would say they wanted to help, make other people see clearer, offer a voice of reason and calmness in the chaos, get messages across etc. Many humanistic and activist reasons thrown there. Well, if that’s what you wanted and you did one or more of the following then it was probably a fail. It’s ok, no biggie, but if you really want to make a difference you might want to rethink your actions and words next time. If you just want to get out your anger and desperation, feeling of helplessness and I don’t know what else then that’s a different issue. Then go ahead, do what you do and know that these posts are not for you.

1. Pray for Paris
Or don’t pray for Paris. People would fervently suggest you should do one of the two.

Of course praying for Paris has no effect. Of course it is a bit ironic since the attacks have religious background. Of course I dislike religions more and more as years go by. Of course, if I am to be honest, I don’t give a damn about diversity in this matter and it would be ideal for me if religions just disappeared from the face of the earth (not violently, just magically somehow :p). Of course.

But come on! Maybe I’m a softy on that because I was a Christian once. But I can assure you that people who said “pray for Paris” meant well. And yes, that doesn’t mean anything, I’m the first to say intentions are generally useless if they have no results but at least if someone has good intentions (and is not totally stupid) you might be able to talk to them and find ways to make their actions more effective. Just throwing in their face now the fact that prayers are useless is useless in itself because it doesn’t accomplish anything. They will rise a wall of defenses, being hurt and thinking that they wanted to help and you accuse them for their compassion. And you swamp my feed with praying and not praying memes! Is that our point now?

And don’t get me wrong. I’d say we should criticize religion at any chance, and even bring to the attention of people who say “pray for Paris” that it’s kind of silly to say so. But find the right time to do so, not when emotions are running wild and Europe is freaking out. And it might take some attention from the actual issue at hand.

Keep in mind that for religious people their faith is the biggest sanctuary. Many people do find solace in praying for Paris. A solace that friends and family and social media cannot provide. Trying to strip that away can be traumatic anyway (for me having to stop praying was the hardest thing I had to do when I stopped identifying as a Christian), so choose to do it at a less troubled time. Again, it is meaningless but when faced with death, fear, agony, anything that can make someone feeling a bit better, a bit more safe, a bit closer to keeping their sanity is acceptable in my book. And tomorrow, when it’s all over and they can stand on their feet again we can talk about why imaginary friends don’t work and how they could really make a difference with their actions. This is an important talk that we do need to have, just not now.

Savoir Vivre 2015

Or what can you say to people these days.

This post is a result of personal experiences but also of behaviours that I’ve seen online towards other people. Most of us try not to insult someone when we speak – at least not unless they have given us a good reason. It is interesting however to see what people think is insulting and what not (even if it is exactly the same thing!)

Scenario nr 1
It’s ok to say:
-I don’t want to have kids
-Yes but you will probably regret it later

It’s not ok to say:
-I will have kids
-Yes but you might regret it later.

Why? Why is the second reply a big taboo, an unimaginable thing to say and a great insult? They might regret having kids and guess what? It is irrevocable! They can’t kill them (ok, they can but I hope that’s not an option for them) or give them back!

While it is not ok to “judge” wanna be parents, to ask them why they want kids, to remind them of the huge responsibility they will have and the changes that will take place in their life, it is apparently ok to totally trash people who say they don’t want kids. From the shocked expression followed by “really?” to “you are being selfish” (what?) and “you WILL regret it and it will be too late to do anything about it”, somehow society thinks that people who don’t want kids should not find these things insulting and (most importantly) should never question back the intentions of the wanna be parents!

I generally don’t mind being “insulted”, I don’t mind people questioning my choices because first of all I usually don’t care about most people’s opinion and secondly it’s good if someone has actually nice arguments and you can be “forced” to re-evaluate your ideas and support them or even change them. But I can’t understand why there is this huge double standard here, why wanting to be a parent puts you on a pedestal where other opinions cannot touch you. This is actually an extremely important issue that society refuses to talk about. I see people deciding to become parents in pretty much the same way they decide to be the owners of a new shiny t-shirt and I have heard the phrase “I didn’t expect my life would change so much” one too many times. We are talking about raising a small human person, totally depended on the parents, that needs a lot of attention, care and responsible behaviour. If you feel sorry because after having a kid you can’t get wasted every night then maaaybe you were not prepared and it is my right to say so.

Yes, parents need to have thought this through, to have valid reasons, to be prepared and to provide their kids with the best chances they can! These kids are our tomorrow’s society. And yet only the “not wanting to have kids” decisions are questioned. Go figure…

Scenario nr 2
It’s ok to say:
Photo of homosexual couple kissing
-I don’t mind of course but I find it aesthetically unpleasant.

It’s not ok to say:
Photo of heterosexual couple kissing
-I don’t mind of course but I find it aesthetically unpleasant.

This is one of the biggest bigotries I’ve seen recently. It happened several times on facebook but I have in mind a specific incident that got me involved in long arguments. A greek author posted a photo of him and his boyfriend kissing and the photo was reported and removed (it war restored later). That created a wave of people reposting the photo as a protest against the reports (some of the reposts have also been reported).

The problem is not that someone finds a picture ugly. That happens to everyone all the time but usually we shut up about it because no one cares! The problem is when some people think they have the right to ask for the picture to be removed. And I would say that these are a few, retarded, small minded, sad and beyond “saving” people so just ignore them. But then, on conversations about that incident, there were “normal” people saying “I wouldn’t report it but he shouldn’t have posted it/he should expect some people wouldn’t like it” or the “aesthetically unpleasant” argument mentioned before. People think they are being “cool”, “tolerant” and absolutely “reasonable” when they say something gigantically stupid, sexist and insulting, as long as they add “I don’t mind of course” in the beginning:

“I don’t mind that you are gay (=see how nice I am?) but don’t rub it in my face (=oh sorry, my mistake, I am a jerk after all)”.

In this case the pretentiousness is what gets on my nerves. Don’t try to play progressive and finding a “but” to justify your conservatism. No one gives a shit about your aesthetics, people will not (and should not) ask you before they decide on how to dress, who to kiss, what pictures to post on facebook. If you don’t like something first of all DON’T LOOK AT IT and secondly live with it! Yes, there will be things around us that we don’t like and it’s ok, I know this comes as a huge surprise but it’s also something that you should have figured out yourself if you’re over 15 so you don’t get any more excuses. You are just an asshole.

For some reason (that I really can’t understand), people think it’s ok to say to homosexuals all the things they wouldn’t dare say to a heterosexual person. Somehow it’s like they don’t have feelings, like they should expect people’s reactions and accept them stoically (if not gratefully!). This shows a lot about society’s perception on some issues and it is the link between the 3 scenarios presented here. More about it later.

Scenario nr 3
It’s ok to say:
-I decided to have a non-monogamous relationship with X
-What? Non-monogamous? I would never do that!

It’s not ok to say:
-I decided to have a relationship with X.
-What? Monogamous? I would never do that!

Oh relationships, the thorn of conversations. And another taboo issue. It’s funny that people talk about relationships almost more than about anything else but still there are so many things they don’t say about them.

Of course when talking with friends, opinions will come up and that’s fine but still some things that would be considered judgmental and insulting to say for the “standard behaviour”, are totally fine to say for the “new behaviour”. And sure, if you hear a new concept you might want to learn more details, you might ask questions in order to understand it better. But usually people’s questions are defensive and hide a big dosage of judgment.

You can judge a person’s decision to be polyamorous, you can thoroughly question them on the “why’s” and “how’s”, you can even say things like “you haven’t found the right person yet, then you’ll change your mind” or “you haven’t fallen in love yet” (again, what?) or “this can never work” (ah ok, thanks for the insight) but on the other hand you are not so much allowed to “judge” monogamous people’s choices.

You cannot judge jealousy for example and push them to define where it comes from. The “I’m just jealous” answer seems to be a conversation stop, a statement that when someone makes expects you to totally understand and accept. You cannot question someone’s choice to have six consecutive relationships, always dumping one partner when they find the next one but having 2 partners at the same time, with both of them knowing and agreeing to it and probably having more partners on their own, is unthinkable. Again for reasons beyond my understanding, it is ok for people to say things they would never accept other people saying about their relationship. Double standard?

I see a common pattern among these 3 examples (and there are many more situations where this pattern emerges).

There are some behaviours that are considered “normal” in our society. It’s what everybody does and no one questions. People who follow these behaviours feel they are entitled to be condescending and judgmental towards anyone who doesn’t. They don’t even see it like that; if you ask them they’ll say they “just give advice” or “express an opinion”. But in a reverse situation they would not accept that “advice” or “opinion” so let’s be honest, it’s just a defensive reaction to a new idea that “threatens” their world (even if it has nothing to do with them). Whether that is the choice not to have kids, a different sexual orientation or a different relationship structure (notice that these 3 are not totally unrelated to each other), somehow people take it personally, like if you deciding to do something different is a problem or threat for them. I have sometimes the impression that instead of trying to understand your choice and evaluating if and why it is good for you, they are trying to prove that their choice is better or even the only choice there is.

This is a “trap” we all fall into. We might be different in one behaviour and face society’s judgment for it, but following another standard behaviour and be judgmental towards others when they don’t. For me it is very interesting to realise that, to see when I do it and confront others when they do it.

EHYD – More afterthoughts on the 2nd speech

This trail of thoughts is quite different from the previous one and it has to do with the way we treat logic and reason.

I can’t help myself in blaming religion again – but I do think that Christianity has affected people in reacting to reason in a way that I could compare to fear (I’m talking about the west. Of course other religions are to blame in other parts of the world :p ). And so we have a situation that I find a bit ironic:

On one hand almost everyone will get offended if you tell them they are irrational and will of course recognise the importance of logic. «Being rational» is a «label» that most people want for themselves and they take pride in «wearing» – even if it does not really fit them at all.

They will however accept irrational behaviour from themselves and from others if they name it «sentimental». Most people totally separate logic and sentiment in their minds, thinking these two are in an eternal battle and of course sentiments must win. It’s ok if you act like a crazy sociopath or a total jerk, as long as it is a «sentimental» reaction. Then it is humane, even welcomed by some people as a proof that you have feelings and you are not a robot.

Hearing things like that made me realise that people treat logic and sentiments as two mutually exclusive things. Like if there is only so much space in your brain for these two and you have to determine a percentage for each one, let’s say to find a balance with 50% logic and 50% sentiment. That means that 50% of the times you can act like a cold, calculating machine and the rest of the times you can act like a crazy person. Thankfully, it doesn’t work like that.

The last couple of years, I started praising logic in every chance and trying to show people the fallacy in the aforementioned way of thinking. In the many talks I had on the subject, I often get replies such as: «Of course you have to be rational BUT you also need sentiments», «you need a balance», «logic is ok but we are nothing without feelings»*.

Why? Why do people have to bring up sentiments every time I talk about logic? Why do they think that logic tries to kick feelings out of our lives? Being rational doesn’t mean you’re incapable of feeling things, it just means you are examining those feelings, you analyse them and know what you experience and why. Many people will tell you that then the «magic is gone», because apparently there is some kind of magical attractiveness in not knowing yourself, not understanding what you feel, in acting impulsively and probably ending up hurting people in the process. Yes, this is what happens when you don’t stop and think about your feelings.

Well, if you do work with yourself and you do analyse your thoughts and feelings you might not get excited with every little stupid thing. That does not mean you’ll never get excited. You will, but with people and situations that are better suited for you. You will even make mistakes and impulsive decisions – but at least you will expect the consequences and learn from them. Most importantly, you have less chances of hurting people around you and yourself, because you will know what you want and why.

I really can’t understand how some people appreciate more the irrational – almost paranoid – behaviour that can be a result of someone being a mindless, blind sentimental being than the stability and maturity that come with thinking, analysing and understanding your feelings. How is it possible for people not wanting to get to know themselves better? How can they be satisfied with claiming «that’s how I feel». Yes you do, but WHY?

*I stumble upon that way of thinking in more issues lately. Marriage and the seriousness of relationships, left and right in politics (especially in Greece), wanting to have free time and laziness, playing computer games and being social etc.

I feel it’s getting harder and harder expressing an opinion without having someone replying with a «yes but what-I-consider-to-be-the-oposite-of-what-you’re-saying is not a better option».

Oh boy, do I have news for you? I am not obliged to choose between 2 mutually exclusive situations in every issue in my life. Rejecting (or preferring) something doesn’t mean I automatically embrace (or never do) what (you consider to be) the opposite! The spectrum of choices we get is usually much wider and we can have a multifaceted personality instead of a two-dimensional, black-and-white one.

EHYD – Philipp Blom

Second that day was Philipp Blom, an engaging speaker and what seems to be a very approachable and warm person.  His speech was quite long and it was late so unfortunately many people (including me), were too tired to fully participate but the subjects he touched are very important for the shape of today’s society.  He inspired me to read more on these topics (and his books are next on my ever-growing list).

What’s more, he mentioned 2 issues that has been tormenting me for a while, so his speech was of special personal importance – but that will be analyzed on the second part of this article.  His main topic was the enlightenment and the criticism it faces. We live in difficult times – even though many could argue that they’re not so difficult as other times in the past. Still, what you experience always affects you more than what you read in history books so people are striving with many problems and tend all too easily to turn fingers upon the «guilty». Which might not always be guilty at all of course, but we need to point our fingers to someone or something. So many people today think the enlightenment is a failure, either because it had potential but didn’t manage to be radical enough to fully reach it or because its values were not good to begin with and they lead us to an immoral society.

The “not radical enough” side

According to Blom enlightenment gave much less than it actually could, only because the people who are considered to be its prominent figures were too “conservative” in their radicalism. Yes, they did have a vision of a better society and valued reason but they were too comfortable or too afraid to fundamentally question the status quo of the time. It was probably a smart thing to do, you have to see when the world is ready to accept such a change and when it has to be slowly introduced. This resulted of course to many other voices who could profoundly shake the world out of its lethargy being overheard, ignored, lost or forgotten.  Oh, there was also the penalty of death, that can shut many mouths too. He mentioned an example which combines a bit of both, the lengthy testament of Meslier, a French priest who lived in the 18th century and who grew to despise his religion because he saw what the church – but also blind belief – did to the people of his province. He was a kind man and loved his people, and denied not only the church but also the existence of a naturally good God in a world where evil, injustice and ignorance even exist. He is apparently well educated in theosophical issues and he knows his bible so his arguments are quite good.

It always surprises me when I read thoughts written in centuries long gone with direct application to today’s modern society. Well, Meslier was much more rational, clever and educated than many people today; how sad is that in the age of information?

Anyway, I’m slightly drifting away from my point. Which was Voltaire, maybe the most prominent figure of the enlightenment. As some of you may have already guessed this book is called the testament of Meslier because it’s just that, his testament. He lived his life in fear of revealing his thoughts – and not unjustifiable, he would lose his job and everything he had, possibly including his life. So this book circulated in the circles of scholars of the age after his death and eventually Voltaire, recognizing its value, decided to publish it. A concise edition of it. By doing so he apparently left out an enormous amount of accusations against the church and god himself – he presented Meslier more as a deist than an atheist. The result: many radical ideas were presented in a much more «submissive» way.

We can see that the pioneers of enlightenment chose a more “conservative” radical way, and these are the values of enlightenment we have today in our minds when we speak about these years.   We can however re-evaluate these principles and search even further in the works of those who had a brighter vision of the future.

The “way too radical” side

Yet other people accuse the enlightenment to be too radical, too “reasonable” and thus devoid of emotion and morality. Now the fact that some (too many) people seem to think reason and logic are the opposites of emotion and morality is too an important problem to discuss here – it should get its own article. I wonder however, all these people who talk about the immoral society in which enlightenment has led us, how would they define ethics and moral laws if not by logic? They praise tradition and emotion but can you use these to establish an objective map of human rights and dictate moral behavior?

Traditions are regional and it’s all too easy to see they’re often wrong. Human sacrifice was a tradition in many places once, we didn’t get over this by being more conservative and emotional but by being more reasonable. The same goes for slavery, women rights, working conditions etc. Our society sure has its issues but it is much more ethical than it used to be. I think it’s safe to say that at no other time in human history so far were there so many people caring about other people’s rights and welfare. And I don’t mean about people who are in our comfort zone or belong in our group but for people who may live far away or have opinions totally different than we have. Atheists promoting irreligion and “fighting” for the religious rights of minorities could be a good example. Humanistic organizations try to help people in underdeveloped lands in a variety of ways and there were even cases where the international judgment managed to save people from death sentences or provided refugee to people whose lives were in danger. That “immoral” society actually does something no society has ever done before. By defying stagnant traditions and thinking rationally people managed to ascent beyond their own little private worlds and started fighting for a better future for everyone. And all that because we put aside the differences created by traditions and irrational fears (=uncontrolled and unexplained emotions) and we try to use our brains to get to rational conclusions. Being logical doesn’t mean you’re emotionless; you’re just analyzing your emotions and learn from them instead of blindly act without ever stopping to think about it.

All in all, enlightenment did change our world for the better and we shouldn’t discard its ideas so quickly – there were values there that transcend beyond the limits of their age and we should keep looking for, using and developing them.

Further reading:
A Wicked Company
An intro to Enlightenment
The enlightenment’s true radicals

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EHYD – Afterthoughts on the 1st speech

As expected, this speech made me think a lot about religion and how we evaluate its place in our society. For better or worse when there are conservative problems depriving a minority of people of their rights, religion is always somewhere there, usually in the front row of the opposition, scaring people into hating each other. Again for better or worse Christianity is the main religion in Europe so that’ll be my main target  – it doesn’t mean I don’t dislike other religions just as much.

Now, dislike is a strong word and might annoy even some fellow humanists-atheists but my reasons are explained in detail:

Sophie In’t Veld mentioned at some point how beautiful the diversity we have is. Variety helps us progress as people, improve ourselves. She said a story about a conversation with 2 people, one from an ex communist country and one from Spain. The first one said that in EU he found his freedom, the freedom to believe without being prosecuted for it. The second one said that in EU he found his freedom, the freedom to be an atheist without being prosecuted for it. And there they are, both free in different ways and living in harmony with each other.

That is indeed all very nice BUT the moral of this story is not that it is beautiful when people believe in different things. The moral of this story is that you shouldn’t force any believe or the lack of it to anyone. You can’t make someone be an atheist, that’s absurd and stupid.

But you can and you must educate people. Variety is nice when we like different colors and so we make our worlds colorful and happy – or black and shadowy, now THAT’s variety. Variety is nice when I don’t like mushrooms in my pizza and I give them to my friend who loves them. Variety is nice when we have different experiences and we share them, seeing the world from another point of view and maybe even re-examining some of our ideas.

Now imagine this: you walk in a conversation where one person says lightning comes from Zeus, another says it comes from Thor and another one says it comes from invisible fairies who squeeze the clouds. What are you thoughts?

“Oh gosh, what a great variety of ideas! It just made me a better person to listen to all these different opinions about how lightning comes, I better not tell them the truth and ruin that which they choose to believe”.

I sure hope not! Most people would at least try to explain that this is not a great mystery, we know what causes lightings. Ok, not all of us can explain it in perfect scientific terms but we have a notion of what’s going on and good guy wikipedia is always available for things like that.

Of course it's a real photo sweetie!!

Of course it’s a real photo sweetie!!

Well, I don’t know how to break this to you but that’s what religions are. A distorted and WRONG idea about what’s going on and loads of people who lie to themselves and defy their logic in order to keep an irrational faith. And no, this is not an elitist opinion, it’s a simple fact.

There are 2 big categories of Christians.

1. “I accept everything the church says and does, they are the word of God on earth”.

Ok, I don’t think it’s really necessary to say much about why these people are dangerous but just in case:

These people accept amazingly lots of false information regarding scientific, social and ethical matters. I met someone who thinks the earth is 6000 old. How on this-surprisingly-young-earth can I marvel in the variety of ideas there? He’s just wrong! It’s so wrong that I can’t help disliking people like that. Because they could know the truth and they choose not to. That is plain stupidity in my dictionary.

There are things that we know, things that we’ve known for years and things that the scientists know and we don’t yet cause let’s face it, we don’t bother learning them. It doesn’t mean God and the Bible are the explanation, that’s actually the opposite of explanation. As Dawkins said, if you use God to explain a phenomenon not only you don’t explain it but you also stop yourself from finding its real cause because you stop looking for it.

Also, these are the people who will kill someone because their faith says so. They are more extreme in some countries and explode themselves killing hundreds and subtler in other countries, just letting a woman die to avoid an abortion (I have to note here that they somehow fail to inform people that sex before marriage is also a sin, so having a bunch of unmarried, underage mothers is somehow ok unlike using condoms or having abortions even for medical reasons… Go figure!). I never understood why killing is a sin but letting someone die when you could very easily save them is ok. How isn’t that murder? You deny someone the chance to live, wake up, it’s not gonna send you to paradise. Of course that’s the state’s fault for allowing this things to exist, you just can’t have hospitals that treat people only if it fits their believes.

So for this category of believers I think it’s quite straightforward why the “marvelous variety” thingy doesn’t work. It’s reason and sanity against irrationality and crazy behavior. I’m not saying we should force them to think otherwise, I just think (and hope) that proper education would do the trick and of course laws should protect individuals when their safety is threatened by this insanity.

2. “I don’t accept the church or their interpretation of the bible, they are corrupted and they use it for their own means – I am a good catholic/orthodox/whatever heresy I follow, the church is just wrong at some points”

Yeah, well… No. Orthodoxy is the interpretation of the Bible according to the Orthodox Church, Catholicism is the interpretation of the Bible according to the Catholic church etc etc etc. So no, I won’t accept the easy – yet extremely cowardice – solution of rejecting the church but keeping the organized religion, I’ve done it and I know it’s just an excuse not to look too deeply to things that might shake your faith.

Would you accept he's a humanist if he just claims he is? Words have a meaning, use them right.

Would you accept he’s a humanist if he just claims he is? Words have a meaning, use them right.

You don’t get to follow a ridiculously specific dogma among the hundreds of existing Christian heresies and pick and choose which parts you like and which you don’t. That’s organized religion and dogmas, you get all or nothing. What most people do is following personal religions, choosing the parts of the books that fit better with their personality and ideas for morality. That’s good, but I’d like it if people could be self-aware and recognize that this attitude does not make them members of an organized religion. Yes, I find this very important. First of all I think it makes a person better and stronger to be able to face such simple truths about themselves and it leads them to better self understanding. Plus here is the part where I feel they temporarily pause their rational and critical thinking. Accepting arbitrary bits and pieces of an organized religion and yet passionately loving it as a whole and identify yourself as a follower of this religion even though some of your believes are in direct opposition with its dogma… Well it is kind of messed up when it comes to logic and I really value reason (more will be said in the following article).

My second problem is that they do hurt the human rights movement, even if it is indirectly.

Of course these people can very well accept scientific truths and human rights etc etc so it’s all nice but still, they almost never defy their church. When the church says something like «80% of Europe is Christian» (suddenly the differences between heresies lose their importance) they are included in the percentage. When the church makes stupid decisions and puts pressure in governments and organization to choose the wrong way these people are used as statistics and – what’s worse – they won’t go out and say “Wait, we are Catholics but we don’t want women to be treated like shit, let them do whatever they want with their bodies”. Nope, they are silent and their silence allows the church to speak representing the whole of the herd (no insult meant, it’s bible’s terminology). Their inaction has consequences and they have to face them.

I’m not going to argue over the existence of a God as described by Deism – the philosophy of it is interesting but not within the objectives of this article. Such a God would be out of reach, not represented by holly books and cannot be used as an argument in favour of organized religion which – I can’t stress this point enough – promotes very specific believes and moral behaviour.

Respecting one’s beliefs doesn’t mean you are not allowed to criticize them or to try and educate them if they lack some knowledge or even try to change those beliefs if they result in people getting hurt.

In our strive to be politically correct we forget that people can make mistakes and that sometimes it’s not a matter of different viewpoints but of right and wrong.

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EHYD – Sophie In’T Veld

Soooo, it’s time for my second article for the European Humanist Youth days and the first to present a speech. I am not going to try to transfer exactly what every speaker said, it’ll be mostly the impression I was left with and my thoughts on the context each time. And so it begins:

The first speaker was Sophie In’t Veld, a dynamic and interesting person, who spoke passionately about human rights and their representation in the European Union.

Apparently there are many conservative forces in the committee responsible for human rights and the EU in general keeps a kind of neutral-cowardice position when an issue arises in a country-state. No big news I guess but I have to admit that for me the EU is a beacon of equality, religious tolerance and humanistic ideals. I understand that it doesn’t enforce those ideals on countries but it encompasses them and supports them and that’s a good first step. The problem is that this is considered an awkward issue – still. It’s like messing with each country’s free will – surely you don’t want to impose your ideas on them (but as our speaker said they have no problem imposing them when it comes to economic issues).


I agree that nations should be free to govern themselves as they see fit but there is point where Europe has to interfere (within the Union at least). And that point is when people’s lives are in danger. And not only in actual, physical danger but also in psychological danger.

Sophie In’t Veld told a story of a woman who – not so long ago – died in Ireland because they refused to give her an abortion (I think it’s this one). She had complications, she was taken to a Catholic hospital, they couldn’t do anything and they knew the child would probably die –as would the mother. Yet they didn’t want to take an innocent life so they took two instead.

That is the actual, physical damage that conservatism and blind belief can cause and I’ll come back to that on the second part of this article.

I can’t ignore though the subtler damage done by rejection. Feeling that you are wrong as an entity, a freak of nature who doesn’t deserve to love and to be loved can result to serious psychological issues and consequently to dysfunctional adults with damaged lives. Ok, they’re alive but still…

Being gay for example, can leave you stigmatized and ostracized in quite a few European countries. Of course some will say that there are many people who are ostracized even without apparent reason (some teenagers for example) or because they’re fat etc. And I’ll say “So what?”. The fact that there are several wrongs in our society cannot be used as an argument against trying to correct those we can. Plus if people learn to be tolerant and embrace differences then more than one problems will be solved.

Another “argument” is that this happens mostly in small places, in villages where the traditional values are more prominent, societies are more closed to themselves and blah blah blah. Again: So what? If you are different for any reason all you can do is hope you’ll be lucky enough to be born in an open-minded city or move or live in misery? Why should we accept that?

Now don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying the situation in Europe is bad. On the contrary, I am very positive and I see a constantly improving attitude towards human rights and equality. I can never forget that if I was born not so long ago – being a woman – I wouldn’t have the right to even say all these things. No, progress is forcing its way to our society, it’s unstoppable and it improves our lives every day. But that doesn’t mean we have to stop fighting. Good things happened in the past because people asked for them, demanded them and so should we. There is room for improvements and we can actively help achieving them sooner.

(For example we might not need to have a death to have these news).

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Αξιολογώντας τον ελεύθερο χρόνο μας…

Έχω (άααααλλο) ένα πρόβλημα τώρα τελευταία με τους ανθρώπους. Σου λέει ο άλλος «ε εσύ κάθεσαι σπίτι τόσες φορές, έχεις χρόνο για την τάδε αγγαρεία, ενώ εγώ όχι». Γιατί όμως δεν έχει χρόνο; Γιατί θα πάει για καφέ, βόλτα, για ψώνια κλπ. Εεεε, fuck off;;;

Συνήθως θα υπέθετα αυτόματα πως αυτός που λέει κάτι τέτοιο είναι το λιγότερο καθυστερημένος, όμως το ακούω κι από άτομα που δεν θεωρώ γενικά ηλίθια και προβληματίζομαι. Να θεωρήσω πως τελικά είναι ηλίθια αυτά τα άτομα ή να το ρίξω στα κοινωνικά πρότυπα που έχουν αναπτυχθεί που για κάποιο λόγο έχουν δαιμονοποιήσει το να περνάς λίγο χρόνο με τον εαυτό σου; Ιδού η απορία…

Δεν με πειράζει να κάνω την τάδε αγγαρεία προφανώς, αυτό που με κάνει έξω φρενών είναι το συμπέρασμα του ότι δεν κάνω τίποτα επειδή κάθομαι σπίτι.

Εσύ ρε φίλε έχεις 5 ώρες ελεύθερες τη μέρα κι επιλέγεις να τις περάσεις έξω, σε καφέδες, τένις ή δεν ξέρω κι εγώ τι άλλο. Εγώ έχω 3 ώρες τη μέρα κι επιλέγω να διαβάσω ένα βιβλίο, να ζωγραφίσω, να παίξω ένα παιχνίδι, να κάτσω λίγο με τον εαυτό μου να τα πούμε βρε αδερφέ.

Γιατί υποτιμάς έτσι τον τρόπο που επιλέγω να περάσω τον χρόνο μου;

Από πότε και ΓΙΑΤΙ είναι ο καφές πιο σημαντικός από το να κάτσω μέσα να κάνω «τα δικά μου»; Γιατί οι δραστηριότητες εκτός σπιτιού θεωρούνται πιο σημαντικές από τις δραστηριότητες εντός σπιτιού; Δεν λέω πως δεν θα βγω ποτέ αλλά άσε με να κατανείμω τον χρόνο μου όπως θεωρώ εγώ σωστό.

Αν πεις σε κάποιον «δεν θα βγω σήμερα γιατί έχω μάθημα πλεξίματος bamboo καλαθιών» θα πει «α οκ, έχει μάθημα». Αν του πεις «δεν θα βγω σήμερα γιατί θέλω να κάτσω να δω House» θα πει «α τον καμένο, θα κάτσει μέσα». Να μη μιλήσω για την περίπτωση που θες να κάτσεις μέσα για να παίξεις κάνα παιχνιδάκι στον υπολογιστή, οι αντιδράσεις σ’αυτό είναι τόσο παράλογες που θα έχει το δικό του, ξεχωριστό άρθρο.

Μα στάζει σοφία, φυσικά και θα κάτσω μέσα να το δω!!!

Ή σου λέει ο άλλος «είναι πολύ ωραία μέρα για να την περάσεις κλεισμένη μέσα». Μααα, δεν είμαι σκίουρος ρε άνθρωπε να τρέχω στα δάση όλη την ώρα ούτε νιώθω το σπίτι μου σαν φυλακή από την οποία πρέπει να «δραπετεύω» σε κάθε ευκαιρία οπότε δεν καταλαβαίνω γιατί το να περάσω την ωραία μέρα μέσα σημαίνει πως η μέρα είναι χαμένη.

Αν λοιπόν αγαπητέ αναγνώστη βγάζεις κι εσύ αυτό το ηλίθιο συμπέρασμα, think again!!! Δεν υπάρχει κανένας μα κανένας απολύτως λόγος να θεωρείς πως αυτό που κάνεις εσύ είναι πιο σημαντικό από αυτό που κάνω εγώ μόνο και μόνο επειδή είναι εκτός σπιτιού. Και σίγουρα δεν σου δίνει αυτό το δικαίωμα να συμπεραίνεις πως δεν είναι πολύτιμος ο ελεύθερος χρόνος μου. Αντιθέτως, οι ώρες της μέρας που μένουν για τον εαυτό μου είναι πολύ λίγες και – ναι υπάρχει και αυτή η άποψη!!! – τις θεωρώ υπερβολικά σημαντικές για να τις ξοδεύω σε καθημερινούς καφέδες κι εξόδους.

Βλέπεις αυτό που εσύ μπορεί να θεωρείς αξιόλογο εγώ το θεωρώ ψιλοβαρετό αν γίνεται συνέχεια. Κι εγώ θεωρώ μη υγειές για πολλούς λόγους το να είναι κανείς όλη μέρα στους δρόμους και να μην περνάει λίγο χρόνο με τον εαυτό του και θα μπορούσα να στο αναλύω για ώρες αλλά δεν με ενδιαφέρει ούτε να σου τρίψω στη μούρη το ότι θεωρώ τις δραστηριότητές σου ανούσιες ούτε να τις βγάλουμε να τις μετρήσουμε (τις δραστηριότητες). Οπότε σταμάτα να το κάνεις κι εσύ γιατί είναι ηλίθιο, με εκνευρίζει και θα αρχίσω να συμπεραίνω πως το μυαλό το έχεις για φιγούρα και δεν το λειτουργείς και πολύ το εργαλείο (και μόνο το ότι πρέπει να κάτσω να το εξηγήσω όλο αυτό δηλαδή με οδηγεί ήδη σε αυτό το συμπέρασμα αλλά τέλος πάντων, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt κι άλλες τέτοιες βλακείες).

Ασυδοσία λόγου (και πράξεων)

Με αφορμή μια στατιστική έρευνα (που δεν μας είπε κάτι καινούριο βέβαια), θέλω να σχολιάσω το φαινόμενο της ασυδοσίας λόγου. Προφανώς – και για κάποιο ακατανόητο λόγο – το να λες στον άλλον ότι λέει βλακείες, και μάλιστα επικίνδυνες βλακείες που δεν θα πρέπει να διδάσκονται στα σχολεία, είναι κακό. Ο καθένας είναι ελεύθερος να λέει ότι θέλει. Σίγουρα, όμως κι ο καθένας έχει το δικαίωμα να του λέει ότι λέει βλακείες, όχι;;


Υπάρχουν πολλοί άθεοι/αγνωστικιστές/άθρησκοι κλπ εκεί έξω που δεν βλέπουν τον λόγο να ασχοληθούν. Δεν καταλαβαίνουν γιατί πρέπει να δημιουργηθεί ένα κίνημα αθεΐας, άλλωστε τα κινήματα φανατίζονται, χάνουν τους σκοπούς τους, καταλήγουν σε ανορθολογικές πράξεις που εμείς σαν ορθολογιστές και αντικειμενικοί πρέπει να αποφύγουμε. Άλλωστε τα πράγματα δεν είναι τόσο τραγικά, η θρησκεία δεν αποτελεί ουσιαστικό πρόβλημα, η εκκλησία είναι το θέμα. Και δεν είναι σωστό να προσπαθήσουμε να πείσουμε τους άλλους πως κάνουν λάθος, ποιοι είμαστε εμείς και κάτι τέτοια…

Think again!!!

Για το πρώτο σκέλος καταλαβαίνω και συμμερίζομαι τις ανησυχίες. Παρόλα αυτά είναι πάντα στο χέρι μας να προσπαθήσουμε για κάτι διαφορετικό και καλύτερο και ως τώρα πάει πολύ καλά αυτή η προσπάθεια. Για το δεύτερο σκέλος όμως…

Μεγάλο ποσοστό ανθρώπων πιστεύει σε χαζομάρες, στη χώρα μας και στο εξωτερικό. Κι όχι δεν είναι μια χαρά αυτό, κι όχι δεν είναι καλό να πιστεύει ο καθένας ότι θέλει και ναι έχω κάθε δικαίωμα να τους τρίψω στη μούρη ότι αυτά που πιστεύουν είναι βλακείες και να τους ταρακουνήσω μέχρι να συνέλθουν. Κι όχι δεν είναι φασιστικό αυτό και θα εξηγήσω αμέσως γιατί:

Ας δούμε ένα παράδειγμα. Αν κάποιος ερχόταν σήμερα κι έλεγε ότι η γη είναι επίπεδη κι ότι ο ήλιος γυρίζει γύρω της δεν θα του λέγαμε ότι δεν ισχύει αυτό; Δεν θα του δείχναμε στοιχεία που να αποδεικνύουν το λάθος του; Θα λέγαμε, «ε δεν πειράζει μωρέ, ας πιστεύει ό,τι θέλει, δικαίωμά του είναι»;;;; Αν αυτός ο άνθρωπος έπειθε κι άλλους 500 κι άρχιζαν να πολεμούν την αντίθετη (και αποδεδειγμένη εδώ και αιώνες) άποψη; Αν απαιτούσαν να διδάσκεται εναλλακτικά στα σχολεία η θεωρία της επίπεδης γης;

Θα ήταν φασιστικό να προσπαθήσω να του δείξω ότι κάνει λάθος; Θα ήταν φασιστικό να του απαγορέψω να διδάσκει το λάθος του στα σχολεία; Δεν είπα ότι θα τον κρεμάσω στο Σύνταγμα ούτε ότι θα του κόψω τη γλώσσα για να μη μιλάει, είπα ότι θα κάνω ότι μπορώ για να του δείξω ότι αυτό που λέει δεν ισχύει κι ότι σίγουρα δεν θα του επιτρέψω να το διδάσκει σε δημόσια σχολεία.

Πρέπει στο όνομα της ελευθερίας λόγου και άποψης θα δεχτούμε την κάθε παράλογη ιδέα και απαίτηση που μπορεί να θέλει κάποιος να επιβάλει στους άλλους; Δεν είναι φασισμός ούτε φανατισμός να προσπαθήσεις να διαδώσεις μια αλήθεια. Και όχι δεν μιλάω για την αθεΐα, αυτή είναι η δική μου αλήθεια κι αυτή δεν με ενδιαφέρει να την διαδώσω. Μιλάω για το ότι η γη είναι στρογγυλή. Αυτό θεωρώ πως είναι η βασικότερη δουλειά του κινήματος της αθεΐας, να αποτρέψει τις εκκλησίες από το να επεμβαίνουν στην παιδεία (και στην πολιτική, αλλά αυτό είναι άλλο θέμα), από το να διαδίδουν ψευδείς πληροφορίες και λανθασμένη γνώση.

Και δυστυχώς αυτό γίνεται έντονα, στον 21ο αιώνα, έτος 2013. Στα σχολεία διδάσκεται ακόμη ο δημιουργισμός, κι όσοι διαφωνούν ας κοιτάξουν το βιβλίο των θρησκευτικών. Πόσοι δάσκαλοι το παρουσιάζουν σαν παραμύθι κι όχι σαν αλήθεια; Μάλλον όχι πολλοί γιατί το 50% του πληθυσμού στην Ελλάδα πιστεύει πως ο θεός έφτιαξε τον κόσμο και αρνείται την θεωρία της εξέλιξης. Για όποιον δεν καταλαβαίνει τη σημασία αυτής της δήλωσης: είναι σαν το 50% του πληθυσμού, ένας στους δύο συνανθρώπους μας, να πιστεύει πως η γη είναι επίπεδη και ο ήλιος γυρίζει γύρω της. Ναι, είναι τόσο εξωφρενικό αυτό που πιστεύουν, είναι τόσο εξωφρενικό αυτό που διδάσκεται στα σχολεία κι όμως κάπως έχουν καταφέρει να το περνάνε στα ψιλά γράμματα, κάτι ασήμαντο για το οποίο δεν χρειάζεται να αντιδράσει κανείς. Αντιθέτως αν αντιδράσεις θεωρείσαι και φανατικός ή/και φασίστας.

Και ρωτάω τον καθένα από εσάς: Θα εμπιστευόσασταν τη ζωή σας σε έναν άνθρωπο που αρνείται πεισματικά να δεχτεί ότι η γη είναι στρογγυλή και περιστρέφεται γύρω από τον ήλιο; Θα εμπιστευόσασταν τη ζωή σας σε έναν άνθρωπο που θεωρεί πως υπάρχουν καλικάντζαροι και νεράιδες; Θα εμπιστευόσασταν την κρίση ενός ανθρώπου που πιστεύει πως με τη μαύρη μαγεία μπορεί να λύσει τα προβλήματά του; Πως αν προσευχηθεί στον Δία θα βρέξει; Θα αφήνατε αυτόν τον άνθρωπο να πάρει αποφάσεις που θα επηρέαζαν τη ζωή σας; Τη ζωή του παιδιού σας; Θεωρείτε πως αυτός ο άνθρωπος που τόσο παράλογα εμμένει σε μια οφθαλμοφανώς λανθασμένη άποψη μπορεί να πάρει ορθολογικές αποφάσεις σε σχέση με κοινωνικά και πολιτικά προβλήματα; Ή ακόμα και στην προσωπική του ζωή, θα τον εμπιστευόσασταν να γίνει ο πατέρας των παιδιών σας;

Γιατί αυτό ακριβώς κάνουμε όταν αφήνουμε το 50% του πληθυσμού να πιστεύει σε βλακείες, γιατί αυτοί οι άνθρωποι αντιδρούν παράλογα αρνούμενοι να δεχτούν τις αποδείξεις που έρχονται σε αντίθεση με μια πίστη βασισμένη σε ένα τίποτα. Κι η πίστη τους είναι πολύ παρόμοια με τα όσα ανέφερα στην προηγούμενη παράγραφο, απλά έχουν μάθει να την πλασάρουν ωραία. Κι αυτοί οι άνθρωποι παίρνουν αποφάσεις που επηρεάζουν όλους μας, άλλες άμεσα κι άλλες έμμεσα.

Δεν καταλαβαίνω πως και πότε το να θες να διαδώσεις μια αλήθεια άρχισε να θεωρείται λάθος και καταπιεστικό. Κι είναι λυπηρό το ότι χρειάζεται τόση προσπάθεια για να διαδοθεί, από τη στιγμή που τα δεδομένα είναι εκεί έξω και ο καθένας μπορεί να τα βρει καταβάλλοντας ελάχιστη προσπάθεια.

Θα επανέλθω τις επόμενες μέρες με ένα παράδειγμα από μια πρόσφατη εμπειρία μου με έναν αμερικανό ευαγγελιστή που ξύπνησε μέσα μου πολλές ανησυχίες που είχα ξεχάσει λόγω άλλων προβλημάτων.

ΥΓ: Το παρακάτω video μιλάει για καταστάσεις που μας φαίνονται πολύ μακρινές στην Ελλάδα, όμως δείχνει πως η παραδοχή μιας παράλογης ιδέας που σε οδηγεί στο να αγνοήσεις δεδομένα που βρίσκονται μπροστά στα μάτια σου, αφήνει ένα τεράστιο παράθυρο στους ανθρώπους για την παραδοχή κι άλλων παράλογων ιδεών και πράξεων. Μπορεί στην Ελλάδα να μην φτάνουν σε τόσο ακραίες καταστάσεις, δεν παύουν όμως να αποτελούν πρόβλημα – δε φημιζόμαστε άλλωστε σαν λαός για τη λογική μας…

Η υποτίμηση του κινδύνου

Είναι πολύ συνηθισμένο φαινόμενο οι άνθρωποι να υποτιμούν την επικινδυνότητα του θρησκευτικού φανατισμού. Ή έστω να την εντοπίζουν σε μεμονωμένες ομάδες, συνήθως στις ομάδες που δεν ανήκουν οι ίδιοι. Οι χριστιανοί την εντοπίζουν στους μουσουλμάνους, οι ορθόδοξοι στους καθολικούς, οι παγανιστές στους μονοθεϊστές κ.ο.κ. Κι όμως όλες οι θρησκείες μπορούν να δημιουργήσουν ακραίες τάσεις στους ανθρώπους και αδικαιολόγητο μίσος προς οτιδήποτε διαφορετικό. Δείτε εδώ για παράδειγμα.

Ίσως έτσι δεις την αλήθεια και ακολουθήσεις κι εσύ την θρησκεία της αγάπης.

Είμαι σίγουρη πως αν ρωτήσεις αυτά τα άτομα θα σου πουν την πολυχρησιμοποιημένη καραμέλα για τον χριστιανισμό: Είναι η θρησκεία της αγάπης, ο Χριστός είπε «αγαπάτε αλλήλους», αυτό με τα μάγουλα, με τους χιτώνες, γενικότερα μια εικόνα που δεν έχει και μεγάλη σχέση με το «Σκοτώστε τους» και «Ελπίζω να πάνε στην κόλαση» που εξέφρασαν ποικιλοτρόπως στο συγκεκριμένο θέμα. Και όχι, δεν μπορούμε να χρησιμοποιήσουμε την δικαιολογία ότι είναι μεμονωμένα περιστατικά (είδαμε τι έκανε ένα μεμονωμένο περιστατικό φανατισμού στην Νορβηγία). Πόσο δύσκολο είναι να βρεθεί ένας χαρισματικός ηγέτης που θα ενώσει αυτές τις φωνές και θα ξεκινήσει τον δικό του, πολύ πραγματικό και αιματηρό πόλεμο εναντίων άθεων και αλλόθρησκων; Δεν είναι η πρώτη φορά που θα συμβαίνει κάτι τέτοιο στην ιστορία. Δεν θα είναι ούτε η τελευταία. Αυτό που συμβαίνει στα μυαλά αυτών των ανθρώπων τους ωθεί στο να εκφράζουν το απόλυτο μίσος και παρόλα αυτά να θεωρούν πως αυτό είναι φυσιολογικό στα πλαίσια της αγάπης της οποίας υποτίθεται πως διδάσκει η θρησκεία τους. Αν αυτό δεν είναι παραλογισμός τότε δεν ξέρω τι είναι.

Όσο η θρησκευτική υποταγή γίνεται πιο σημαντική από την λογική και η αγάπη προς τον θεό πιο σημαντική από την αγάπη προς τον άνθρωπο θα υπάρχει πάντα ο κίνδυνος της αιματηρής επίλυσης των «διαφορών».